i think he had the vice president on the defensive on the issue of libya and the obama administration actions with regards to libya. i think it was a good debate. >> except you know the clip that we played there about the stimulus? that was a tough one, right? joe? >> well, of course i mean vice president biden is very, very good on his feet, very quick on his feet. i think it was a very strong performance on his part. i think paul ryan did a great job also. but vice president biden is very strong. >> karen, let's talk about all that smiling and interrupting. your unvarnished take. do you wish the vice president had backed off even a little? because then we wouldn't even be talking about his style. >> the only reason we're talking about his style is because the republicans can't seem to take a punch. last week when our guy didn't do so well we took hit. we admitted it and we moved on. this week when it was a commanding performance for romney, all of a sudden joe biden is being rude. frankly, there were so many moments where biden could have further corrected paul on a marathon runner